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 Post subject: Sioux Falls
PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 3:16 pm 
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Does any one know what is going on in the Sioux Falls game?

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oh my god Sioux falls is getting dominated. 48-0

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 3:58 pm 
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Holy woodshed! It is 55-0 now. So much for the GPAC chipper. I wonder if USF could have beat Azusa, Dickie, or MTech in quarterfinals?

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 Post subject: SF Sidelines
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Walked the SF sidelines during the first half today. They were eerily quiet from the start of the game on...down 14-0, the body language on the sideline change and guys started looking for the portable heaters.

As bad as it was, the score could have been about 2-3 touchdowns worse.


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 Post subject: Montana Butt-Kicking
PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:06 pm 
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Yeah, here's the real deal....our Tech guy asks a good question. Midwestern schools such as yours just took what we call a good MONTANA BUTT-KICKING!! At any given year, even our #2 or #3 teams can whip up on you mid-western! My gawd, what a waste of a Saturday afternoon watching you guys. Could have been home helping my wife decorate the tree. St. Francis had better be watching a lot of game film. They'll need it.

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 Post subject: Re: Montana Butt-Kicking
PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:55 pm 
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RABIDAWG wrote:
Yeah, here's the real deal....our Tech guy asks a good question. Midwestern schools such as yours just took what we call a good MONTANA BUTT-KICKING!! At any given year, even our #2 or #3 teams can whip up on you mid-western! My gawd, what a waste of a Saturday afternoon watching you guys. Could have been home helping my wife decorate the tree. St. Francis had better be watching a lot of game film. They'll need it.


Yeah, you guys only lost to Carroll 45-0. :roll:


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:44 pm 
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Yep...kicked our a**'s and Tech's too! Til next season, they rule, and we Frontier folks do supoprt our conference rep!

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RABIDAWG wrote:
Yep...kicked our a**'s and Tech's too! Til next season, they rule, and we Frontier folks do supoprt our conference rep!

Man, you are everywhere talking dirt... Maybe you should spend more time training and getting yourself better, so that you can come on here and talk trash about something that you did instead of something that you only can dream of doing...


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 Post subject: Shoes?
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Not to make any excuses because Carroll is the better team. But, it looked like on TV that Carroll was playing on turf and USF was playing on ice. USF could not keep there feet at all and every Carroll player was running right by them. Carroll is good but I do not believe 55 points better than USF. However, good luck to Carroll at the title game, you guys seem like a very classy group.

Side note: Last time USF was held scoreless 1986 20-0 vs D2 Augustana College.

Good thing we return 26 juniors next season every one on offense except the QB and one lineman I believe.


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Well coach, you did make an excuse. The field conditions are an important part of the game and if SFU didn't prepare for it, that is there own mistake. Plus, a slick field doesn't account for 55-0 loss. Was Carroll that much better than SFU? YES, and from what I saw Carroll could have hung a few more on you, but Van Diest showed class. Anytime a team gets beat that badly you have to wonder if they were overated the whole season. I guess us Frontier guys are just tried of hearing how good the GPAC is. I think a healthy Tech team would have beat USF or Mside, but they had to play Carroll three times. This whole issue could be settled if the pairings were different, or if there were some regular season games between the two conferences.

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Congrats to the two best teams! the GPAC may not be the best conf. this year or next year, but we had to beat a few teams to get where we are. The NAIA made the right decision in pairings and I believe that the best team will win. Don't go bashing a team for a great season on one loss, everyone else wishes that they were playing. Good luck and I hope the better team prevails in the finals. Both teams have to be well prepaired. Congrats on a great season to the USF and M'side teams.


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 Post subject: No question about it...
PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 10:49 pm 
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#1 and #2 have earned their places...

Anyone can banter about shoes, and whatever else. But, turf shoes or cleats, no difference today for Sioux Falls. It still would have been a loss. MAYBE not as bad, but from what I saw on TV, it was not just shoes that led to today's lashing. It was a complete whitewashing by a much better team.

A loss is a loss, whether it is 20-17 (2002), or 55-0(2005).

Congratulations to Carroll College... USF "West" Cougars are out the way, now it is off to face USF "East" Cougars, and try to complete the 4-peat! Now matter how you slice it, a 3-peat is impressive enough. Now to be in position to play for the 4-peat is unbelieveable!


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Greenzilla23 wrote:
This whole issue could be settled if the pairings were different, or if there were some regular season games between the two conferences.


Something can be done, by the conferences/schools about regular season games. Why not? Competition is what it is all about!

Playoff pairings are not under the control of the conferences/schools... Complain to the NAIA about that, not to the fans or schools...


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I feel the Frontier showed everyone what it's like to play in our league. Imagine playing the Saints, Digger, Lights and the Dogs two or three time a year.

Come to our league and play, it's a warm up and testing ground fro the playoffs and the chipper! Just ask the Saints. goforfour!


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To pull the words of Lee Corso "Not so fast my friend".

First let me say a few things and answer a few questions before I comment.

Did the GPAC get dominated yesterday? Yes.
Are St. Francis and Carrol the best teams in the country? Yes.
Did yesterday's showing make the GPAC look bad? Yes.

However before anyone goes spouting off that the Frontier is the greatest conference in the world, I would like to interject a few shards of realism. In the semifinal game, you are going to get the best possible effort from anyteam. Once a team gets down, and down by a good margin, they know they are done. Season, maybe career.

The worst thing anyone can do is start looking at comparitive scoring, because it just does not give a "real" look at the teams. In order to understand how good one team is over another team, you have to actually compare them, see a little film, and then pass judgement.

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I think a healthy Tech team would have beat USF or Mside, but they had to play Carroll three times.

What about a healthy Morningside team? They were banged up in their loss to USF so the same excuse can be made their.

Ultimately, the ratings were correct, the matchups were correct. What is comes down to is Carroll and St. Francis are THAT MUCH better than everyone else when they want to be.

Scary . . .

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 Post subject: finally..
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Jason, very well said.

There has been an overwhelming amount of over-analysis about this game, the score, and the teams in the GPAC. Both solid programs got drilled by easy the two best teams in the Nation. End of story..


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Jason, everyone is banged up this time of year. Sioux Falls got shut out and destroyed by Carroll, while M'side was two big plays from being shutout by St. Franchise. To say these teams were banged up does not account for the fact that it looked like two JV teams showed up Saturday...


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You missed my point Badboy

I am showing why a poster from above's line of thinking is no good. He said "What if Tech wasn't banged up" to which I responded "Well what if Morningside wasn't banged up".

If you want to start talking "ifs" then you have to include that same "if" for everyone. The only "if" we need to think about is What "if" Carroll/St. Francis weren't in the NAIA, because right now there is no one close to these two teams.

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Jason' banged up = NO QUARTERBACK! Tech won during overwhelming situations. You saw it happen and even picked Tech not to beat Azuza.

This is a moot point, but, I still think Tech would have did well with their fulltime quarterback. How well would have Morningside played if they lost Fobbe, not once but three twice in a year, three times in two. So, yes I think Tech still would have done well. Just my humble opinion.


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I'll agree that Tech was probably the most inspirational story as a football team this year. The way they continued their season without Johnson was inspiring.

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Tech won during overwhelming situations. You saw it happen and even picked Tech not to beat Azuza.

They also lost this season to Eastern Oregon at home without Johnson and came close to losing to Rocky Mountain. APU had only lost 1 game at home in the last 4 years, so why wouldn't I pick them to win?

But when Tech played without Johnson against the nation's best they lost twice to Carroll and in the quarter and a half without him against Azusa they were outscored 10-0 (maybe 10-7 I cannot remember the 3rd quarter TD).

Morningside won't use the injury excuse, so I won't either. They lost. Was Fobbe 100%? Probably not, but he was the best they had. He did the best he could possibly do.

The real story is: Where in the world was Trae Johnson in all of this? 3 catches for 85yds is an okay day, but he was really stepping up in big games. It looks like the USF defense did something no one else could do this season, stop Trae Johnson.

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