First, Jason, if you're gonna accuse me of VCSU bias, then be prepared to be monitored for private school bias. You can't have it both ways
Yes I can. The sole reason I even stepped into this debate was because you failed to speak any truths about private schools. Six months ago I was on the GPAC board defending Dakota State against what private schools were saying about them. I am just trying to bring balance to these arguements to make people realize they really aren't all that different.
Did I attack you? No.
Really? Then how about accusing my opinion of bias when I picked my top 10 teams for the spring. That attacks everything I do. First it will be an article in the spring, then it will be my top 25, then it will be my all-american team. There is no way I am going to allow that slippery slope continue. How about attacking my credibility when you said "since I don't live in ND, I don't understand". I believe those are attacks on me. How about when you called me yelling and screaming about not talking about the "Paint and Bucket" rivalry when I had a frontpage article for three days on the web site as well as interviews with both coaches on my radio show? How about being the cheerleader for why the DAC should go DII? I'd say each and everyone of those is an attack on me, my business, and my livelyhood.
The Numbers: 11 Total Titles (Ties and Outrights) Privates = 4/11 36% Publics = 7/11 64%
I guess I don't see those numbers as being such a problem like you speak of.
Next, 4 out of 11 titles controlled by 2 out of 10 schools in the league. You figure it out.
MSFA ME = 7 of 7 titles controlled by 1 team (No publics)
MSFA MW = 5 of 7 titles controlled by 1 team (No publics)
CSFL= 5 of 7 titles controlled by one team (the public school)
DAC= 4 of 8 titles controlled by one team (Dickey)
Frontier= 6 of 7 titles controlled by one team ((3 Publics)
GPAC= 4 of 7 titles controlled by 1 team (No publics)
HAAC= 4 of 7 titles controlled by 2 teams (No publics)
KCAC= 4 of 7 titles controlled by 2 teams (No publics)
Mid South= 7 of 7 titles controlled by 1 team (No publics)
Do these teams win their titles because they are "private schools" or because they have tradition, great coaches, and consistently out play their opponents. You figure it out.
If someone were on here misrepresenting public schools I would do the same for them. But you make some very false accusations about what private schools do.
Either lock the thread, or be prepared for everything you do in regard to private schools to be questioned in it--that is until I get an apology from you about your liberal use of the word "attack". I didn't attack you, I wouldn't attack you, despite your allowance of other posters to attack things about me that don't even pertain to NAIA football, sports, so collegiate life.
Again, I am done with this thread. I should have never came back onto this thread after I said I was done. Research me first Ryan, I strongly supported the GPAC to redo their rules to accept Dakota State and other state schools as possible members. Up to your thread I had no problems with what coaches at state schools called advantages to private schools and vice versa. But you failed to allow this arguement to be fair at all to anyone that said anything at all about private schools.
I will not apologize for things that I have no reason to be sorry for. How many times has a caller called you and said "That was mean, you should apologize". And what do you want me to apoligize for? My "liberal use of the word attack"? What the heck are you talking about? You say you get attack all the time and you "flow with it" and NOW want an apology from me because of my liberal use of a word? Which I still do not see.
If you feel like you were attacked personally by other posters, please let me know. I do not have the ability to monitor every post on this web site. If some one is out of line, shoot me a PM or email and I will take care of it.
If you think that was a slippery slope before, then get ready for war.
That makes no sense what-so-ever.
I make a legitimate observation of your journalism, and it's an attack.
It wouldn't have been if it had been legit. Come on Ryan, do some research, look at what I've said in the past before you fly off the handle. Your "legit" observation was predicated on this feeling I have a major bias toward private schools, which I don't. All I'm trying to do is balance out an arguement that you swing one way on (which is fine). But its not fair to all the other posters that do not have the research to be swayed by one persons opinion.
This will be my last response for a while. I am traveling today.
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Like, I think if you look at the teams selected for Jason’s “most work article” a dubious honor at best, you will see that the teams listed are either last season power-houses that have some rebuilding (reloading) to do or teams that were excepted to perform at a higher level last season, but faltered:
#10 Carroll College, #8 Sioux Falls, #5 Morningside: these teams all lose serious All-Americans. These three run the most risk of falling backwards.
#7 Pikeville, #4 Azusa Pacific, #2 Webber International: these teams have new coaches and need to build to capitalize and expand on last season success.
#9 MidAmerica Nazarene, #6 Bethel TN, #3 Jamestown,#1 Lindenwood: these teams were expected to perform better last season and didn’t, they have to get ‘over the hump” to live up to there potential this season.
So you have three types of teams: Powerhouses that risk moving back, great teams with new coaches, and potentially great teams that performed below their potential.
I do not believe that VCS or Dicky can be out in any of these categories. They don’t have a new coach, and they were not a powerhouse like the other three, nor did they underperform. Instead, VCS was a play away from taking out Azusa in one of the best games (very well announced too) of the season across the board last year. Dicky was playoff team that kept the score closer with Carroll than anyone but Tech. They made a great showing and played above and beyond most people’s expectations. VCS and Dicky are in a great spot for next year. This list is about teams that have more to overcome then just personnel changes, and if you can see that then you can see the logic (not bias) of including Jamestown on the list as opposed to any other DAC team.
Joined: Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:40 pm Posts: 2370 Location: The American Frontier
I see Dickenson as comparable to Montana Tech, both lose huge players (Klauser, Cotton, etc.) and both have QB issues, but that is basic season to season personal issues that most (or all) teams have. BHSU, to me, is like Northern, a team that made waves when they were not expected to and now have expectations they did not last year (both are spoilers for Carroll on some people’s lists), but they are more about staying the course and progressing then teams like Jamestown and Montana Western, who have high expectations last year and floundered. If the list had been strictly about personnel then Dicky is on it, but this was about teams that had something more to overcome as I enumerated in my previous post.
Now this is all from my perspective and we all have a different point of perspective, Jason has is, I have mine, and you have yours. There is a difference between perspective and bias. From Jason’s perspective(remember, as you pointed out, this is an opinion piece) those were the teams he saw as needing the most work, from your perspective they were others who have more to do. It is possible, though, to see the logic in his picks, and I believe if you can see the logic, you can then dismiss the claim of bias (which by its very nature is illogical). True bias would be if he had only listed GPAC schools or if we all had to sing a loyalty oath to Dana before posting.
Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2003 3:27 pm Posts: 466 Location: The room with the squishy wallpaper & carpet
You wanna know why Dickinson State isn't on the "work to do" list??? Because they lose "great" players EVERY YEAR and find replacements EVERY YEAR. It's the old reload not rebuild theory. Since the beginning of the DAC, DiSU has had to replace people like H-M AA DL Ray Boyum in 2001; H-M AA's OL Marc Lerberg and DB Ryan Anderson in 2002; 1st team AA OL Dennis Morris and H-M AA's QB Nick Walker and DB Grant Haugland in 2003; 2nd team AA DE Coly Rush and H-M AA OL Nick Dressler in 2004 and 2nd team AA RB Jace Schillinger last year. And these are just the All Americans...I could take up a lot of space adding the All DAC players that have graduated in the past few years, too.
Next year, DiSU has to replace 1st team AA OL Josh Epperly, 2nd team AA's DL Ross Walker and DE/LB Kylan Klauzer and H-M AA's DB Kevin McElvaney and RB Larry Aldridge along with finding a new QB. a new center, WR and a couple other defensive players.
When some of these guys (and some others I have neglected to mention) finished their playing careers at DiSU, some Blue Hawk fans thought the world was going to come to an end but Hall of Fame Hank and his assistants found someone to plug in and kept the Hawks in the chase for a conference title and playoff berth each year.
My point is DiSU is on "the list" EVERY YEAR because they always have a few good seniors to replace and EVERBODY knows it...does it need to be pointed out every year??? It was just Jason's OPINION that JC had a lot of work to do after making a big stride in Coach Dosch's 1st year, took a small step back last year and needs to get some work done to regain that small step back and possibly move even further ahead. It's just his opinion and we all know what they say about "opinions". How about we move on to a more important subject than "who belongs on the list of work to do" and "publics vs. privates"? There has to be something more worthy than those. Like new recruits, spring ball, new coaches, hot cheerleaders, etc, etc, etc...
_________________ "You know who I feel sorry for??? Arab Americans who are truly interested in crop dusting." - Brian Regan
Has Spring ball started for DAC teams yet????? when does the DAC football season start this year??? Glad I'm not a Minnesota Vikings fan their offense is gonna be terrible this year. Gonna love to see TO in a Cowboys uniform this year. Hopefully he can help my boys get back to the promise land.
Are their any VCSU and University of Mary football games scheduled to be played in the future??? If not they should.
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